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		<title>By: Nuvari</title>
		<link>http://www.cackaloo.com/2008/05/15/the-post-in-which-k8-slags-the-knackers/#comment-9305</link>
		<dc:creator>Nuvari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 12:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know K8, as an individual who was born into the Travelling community I appreciate your above post, however Knacker as was explained by another poster is a highly derogatory and harmful word.

I do not expect that this post will do much to combat the underlining threads of discrimination and misinterpretation offered up by other posters in relation to both the community and the individuals within in, but after reading some of the comments I feel drawn to add my own.

A community can be defined by a common experience of the world, in both a synchronistic and diachronically sense, bound by vocabulary peculiarity&#039;s and group alliances, most often lineage and family ties are of great importance and the Irish Travelling Pavee culture is of no difference but to reinforce the thoughforms of “They” etc while having it cross associated with a unsupported communal understanding, people are in fact painting all with the same brush.

I am genuinely sorry to hear of many of the above experiences but they are not unique to the community, nor is the underlining prejudices of refusing to see a person as an individual, regardless of how others may of treated you. Humanity and the communities that compose have always had and I suspect will always have; undesirables. To allow such people to destroy the opportunities of others and ourselves is a sorrowful act of self mutilation – as one of our greatest acts of depravity is when we assume we do not belong to one another. 

As an individual who was born from this tradition I take it as a personal affront that anyone would define me as a label above the person I am. While indeed markers of identity are helpful in this ever changing sea of “community” I feel that many, if not most, do not know the living issues and difficulties such lines of thinking bring. 

Many are seen in open display while others whisper in the shadows of mundane life, of course such remaining issues like that of the insidious internalised prejudices of the community, apathy, fear, lack of recourse for all involved and so forth need to be engaged with and overcome, but I like many other things suspect that this will only be achieved together.

I hope some of the readers take time to review the above posts and comments from the view of being a law abiding, tax paying Traveller. Many of the comments are nothing less then venom and poison to those that have nothing to do with such social and moral errors and yet cast among the same old issues.

I am a Traveller/Pavee but that is not all I am and I hope next when any of you encounter the label, that you will be more willing to look beyond it to the person beneath, as I promise to endeavour to do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know K8, as an individual who was born into the Travelling community I appreciate your above post, however Knacker as was explained by another poster is a highly derogatory and harmful word.</p>
<p>I do not expect that this post will do much to combat the underlining threads of discrimination and misinterpretation offered up by other posters in relation to both the community and the individuals within in, but after reading some of the comments I feel drawn to add my own.</p>
<p>A community can be defined by a common experience of the world, in both a synchronistic and diachronically sense, bound by vocabulary peculiarity&#8217;s and group alliances, most often lineage and family ties are of great importance and the Irish Travelling Pavee culture is of no difference but to reinforce the thoughforms of “They” etc while having it cross associated with a unsupported communal understanding, people are in fact painting all with the same brush.</p>
<p>I am genuinely sorry to hear of many of the above experiences but they are not unique to the community, nor is the underlining prejudices of refusing to see a person as an individual, regardless of how others may of treated you. Humanity and the communities that compose have always had and I suspect will always have; undesirables. To allow such people to destroy the opportunities of others and ourselves is a sorrowful act of self mutilation – as one of our greatest acts of depravity is when we assume we do not belong to one another. </p>
<p>As an individual who was born from this tradition I take it as a personal affront that anyone would define me as a label above the person I am. While indeed markers of identity are helpful in this ever changing sea of “community” I feel that many, if not most, do not know the living issues and difficulties such lines of thinking bring. </p>
<p>Many are seen in open display while others whisper in the shadows of mundane life, of course such remaining issues like that of the insidious internalised prejudices of the community, apathy, fear, lack of recourse for all involved and so forth need to be engaged with and overcome, but I like many other things suspect that this will only be achieved together.</p>
<p>I hope some of the readers take time to review the above posts and comments from the view of being a law abiding, tax paying Traveller. Many of the comments are nothing less then venom and poison to those that have nothing to do with such social and moral errors and yet cast among the same old issues.</p>
<p>I am a Traveller/Pavee but that is not all I am and I hope next when any of you encounter the label, that you will be more willing to look beyond it to the person beneath, as I promise to endeavour to do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: K8</title>
		<link>http://www.cackaloo.com/2008/05/15/the-post-in-which-k8-slags-the-knackers/#comment-8203</link>
		<dc:creator>K8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two and a half years later...

I&#039;ve discovered a few things.

I still live in a council estate, I still live with travellers.  I now realise that this is the most secure environment a family can live in, given that deviants don&#039;t shit on their own doorstep.  

The travellers around here are sound, while on some basis I still don&#039;t trust them... the bigger problem is not the knackers but the others... scumbag unmentionables that can&#039;t control their kids.

I was distracted for a while, but I was wrong.

It&#039;s not the travellers that are a problem, it&#039;s the ones below the radar, the settled, the ones who need parenting courses.

I take back at least 60% of what I said in this post, I made a mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two and a half years later&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve discovered a few things.</p>
<p>I still live in a council estate, I still live with travellers.  I now realise that this is the most secure environment a family can live in, given that deviants don&#8217;t shit on their own doorstep.  </p>
<p>The travellers around here are sound, while on some basis I still don&#8217;t trust them&#8230; the bigger problem is not the knackers but the others&#8230; scumbag unmentionables that can&#8217;t control their kids.</p>
<p>I was distracted for a while, but I was wrong.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the travellers that are a problem, it&#8217;s the ones below the radar, the settled, the ones who need parenting courses.</p>
<p>I take back at least 60% of what I said in this post, I made a mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://www.cackaloo.com/2008/05/15/the-post-in-which-k8-slags-the-knackers/#comment-8083</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 10:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi lads, 
just to add my personal experience. Ive recently moved to Ballina, the knacker capital of the North-West. Not a day goes by when I don&#039;t see travellers spitting on people, harrassing them and starting up fights. A family of 15 ppl or so lives two houses down the road and there&#039;s never a dull moment. Yesterday I saw a young pikey dragging her little sister out of the house by the hair! And what about the big scenes in Tesco: big pikey head at the till with a full trolley and 12 euros in her pocket throwing stuff everywhere &quot;I don&#039;t want that, take tha&#039; back! What ya looking a&#039;?&quot;

I still don&#039;t understand how people put up with them and gladly get up in the morning to go to work paying half of our salary in taxes while the scumbags spend their days making babies and beating up their own wives. I call for a revolution. Any politicians out there listening? You may get a lot of votes out of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi lads,<br />
just to add my personal experience. Ive recently moved to Ballina, the knacker capital of the North-West. Not a day goes by when I don&#8217;t see travellers spitting on people, harrassing them and starting up fights. A family of 15 ppl or so lives two houses down the road and there&#8217;s never a dull moment. Yesterday I saw a young pikey dragging her little sister out of the house by the hair! And what about the big scenes in Tesco: big pikey head at the till with a full trolley and 12 euros in her pocket throwing stuff everywhere &#8220;I don&#8217;t want that, take tha&#8217; back! What ya looking a&#8217;?&#8221;</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t understand how people put up with them and gladly get up in the morning to go to work paying half of our salary in taxes while the scumbags spend their days making babies and beating up their own wives. I call for a revolution. Any politicians out there listening? You may get a lot of votes out of this.</p>
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		<title>By: K8</title>
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		<dc:creator>K8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that 80% of them give the rest a bad name.  I see that some (settled) people defend that remaining 20% and I understand why.

It&#039;s trying to guess if the bad eggs are actually good eggs without getting robbed blind in the process.  That&#039;s what gets me.

I think this kid here was a good egg, but he just did what he was trained to do.  I blame his (inbred) parents.  I hope he survives the statistics, I really do.

In the meantime I judge them all and remain open to pleasant surprises, but unfortunately that doesn&#039;t seem to happen much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that 80% of them give the rest a bad name.  I see that some (settled) people defend that remaining 20% and I understand why.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s trying to guess if the bad eggs are actually good eggs without getting robbed blind in the process.  That&#8217;s what gets me.</p>
<p>I think this kid here was a good egg, but he just did what he was trained to do.  I blame his (inbred) parents.  I hope he survives the statistics, I really do.</p>
<p>In the meantime I judge them all and remain open to pleasant surprises, but unfortunately that doesn&#8217;t seem to happen much.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knackers are a culture in the same way that Muslims who follow Osama Bin Laden are a culture.  They live amongst us, adapt to the parts of our system that profit them and give two fingers to the rest.  They don&#039;t give a shit about our society, culture or values.  We are nothing to them.

I don&#039;t want to compare Muslims to knackers.  The majority of Muslims in this country are decent people.  On the other hand, the majority of knackers in this country are worthless scum.

Who funds Pavee Point and the Equality Authority?  Not the bloody knackers!  They&#039;re too busy flogging stolen power tools and pirate DVDs at Puck Fair, while the guards check out cloud formations in the sky above.

I&#039;m a liberal.  I&#039;m so fucking liberal, there isn&#039;t a political party in this country I would vote for.  I&#039;m also a great believer in equal rights.  So, if it&#039;s okay with the powers that be, I will from now on drink and drive a 09 Transit at high speeds over traffic bumps without tax or insurance, live in a mansion whilst drawing the dole, strut around in a tight fitting vest, marry my first cousin and have a Hummer and horse drawn carriage parade through town for the ultimate display of my authority.

Don&#039;t tell me I can&#039;t do it! My solicitor is following behind in the Roller.

Next time you see a knacker child looking sad and lost, think before you act.  Then, if there&#039;s nobody looking ......... Well, consider the greater good.  That&#039;s all I&#039;ll say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knackers are a culture in the same way that Muslims who follow Osama Bin Laden are a culture.  They live amongst us, adapt to the parts of our system that profit them and give two fingers to the rest.  They don&#8217;t give a shit about our society, culture or values.  We are nothing to them.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to compare Muslims to knackers.  The majority of Muslims in this country are decent people.  On the other hand, the majority of knackers in this country are worthless scum.</p>
<p>Who funds Pavee Point and the Equality Authority?  Not the bloody knackers!  They&#8217;re too busy flogging stolen power tools and pirate DVDs at Puck Fair, while the guards check out cloud formations in the sky above.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a liberal.  I&#8217;m so fucking liberal, there isn&#8217;t a political party in this country I would vote for.  I&#8217;m also a great believer in equal rights.  So, if it&#8217;s okay with the powers that be, I will from now on drink and drive a 09 Transit at high speeds over traffic bumps without tax or insurance, live in a mansion whilst drawing the dole, strut around in a tight fitting vest, marry my first cousin and have a Hummer and horse drawn carriage parade through town for the ultimate display of my authority.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t tell me I can&#8217;t do it! My solicitor is following behind in the Roller.</p>
<p>Next time you see a knacker child looking sad and lost, think before you act.  Then, if there&#8217;s nobody looking &#8230;&#8230;&#8230; Well, consider the greater good.  That&#8217;s all I&#8217;ll say.</p>
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		<title>By: K8 the GR8 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Back to Normality</title>
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		<dc:creator>K8 the GR8 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Back to Normality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] heard me slag the travelling community before&#8230; that was when I was angry and dismayed.  I did not give myself a chance to add those [...]</description>
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		<title>By: K8</title>
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		<dc:creator>K8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t the kid that attacked me, it was an adult male.  I knew he was a traveller because he was trying to be my best sodding friend the whole time, kissing my ass and telling me how great I was.  They all seem to do that, then they stab you in the back.  Or in my case, try to shaft you.

I think you know that I&#039;m not saying the rest of us are angels!!!  I didn&#039;t say that anywhere because it&#039;s blatantly far from the truth.

Please don&#039;t take the words on this blog too literally by the way, I would never run anyone over!  I&#039;m not as evil as I sound.

I don&#039;t hate the knackers.  I&#039;m wary of them, but I don&#039;t hate them.  I don&#039;t hate anyone.  I&#039;m just another annoyed settled person venting a frustration is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t the kid that attacked me, it was an adult male.  I knew he was a traveller because he was trying to be my best sodding friend the whole time, kissing my ass and telling me how great I was.  They all seem to do that, then they stab you in the back.  Or in my case, try to shaft you.</p>
<p>I think you know that I&#8217;m not saying the rest of us are angels!!!  I didn&#8217;t say that anywhere because it&#8217;s blatantly far from the truth.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t take the words on this blog too literally by the way, I would never run anyone over!  I&#8217;m not as evil as I sound.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hate the knackers.  I&#8217;m wary of them, but I don&#8217;t hate them.  I don&#8217;t hate anyone.  I&#8217;m just another annoyed settled person venting a frustration is all.</p>
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		<title>By: kellee</title>
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		<dc:creator>kellee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTR, I know all about Cottenham and wouldn&#039;t be interested in their comments. Why don&#039;t you talk to them, and while your at it ask them about 800 years of their oppression of the whole of Ireland....
because Oliver Cromwell is their hero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTR, I know all about Cottenham and wouldn&#8217;t be interested in their comments. Why don&#8217;t you talk to them, and while your at it ask them about 800 years of their oppression of the whole of Ireland&#8230;.<br />
because Oliver Cromwell is their hero.</p>
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		<title>By: Bock the Robber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bock the Robber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask the residents of &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cambridgeshire/4356895.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cottenham&lt;/a&gt; what they think of Irish travellers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask the residents of <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cambridgeshire/4356895.stm" rel="nofollow">Cottenham</a> what they think of Irish travellers.</p>
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		<title>By: kellee</title>
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		<dc:creator>kellee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as theft is concerned, I had a giant schnauzer bitch with 9 pups stolen from our kennel last year and after 24hrs of hell the police returned them after arresting the thief, my father had his car stolen and my brother in law had thousands of pounds of equipment stolen. And not travellers who done that committed the crimes.
In the last 20yrs the UK has been invaded with Irish travellers and there are very bad families but for every bad family there are 100 good families that have done very well, educated their kids from what we have noticed over here. They are decent clean, law abiding people that seem to mind their own business…I wish every body was like that but unfortunately are not.
“I find it strangely comforting to my point, that the only person to attack me so far in my taxi driving career, was a traveller” what, a little boy!!!!
Well if you want justice then instead of taking a little boy for a drive then you should have called the garda to take him for a ride. If that had been me I would have been alarmed and suspicious and called the garda.
Knackers is a derogatory term but as you call them that so be it…they know some hate them but after years of oppression they have developed a thick skin and don&#039;t care what you think or me for that matter.
They are just like us…they have good and bad but I don&#039;t hate them…I just understand them.
If they are having a family feud then the police should just let them kill each other and not get involved. That way everyone is happy.
Well from this I get the impression that only the travelers are criminals, rapist, fraudsters, thieves, murderers, pedophiles, druggies act guess that makes all the rest of the Irish population angels. Well so be it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as theft is concerned, I had a giant schnauzer bitch with 9 pups stolen from our kennel last year and after 24hrs of hell the police returned them after arresting the thief, my father had his car stolen and my brother in law had thousands of pounds of equipment stolen. And not travellers who done that committed the crimes.<br />
In the last 20yrs the UK has been invaded with Irish travellers and there are very bad families but for every bad family there are 100 good families that have done very well, educated their kids from what we have noticed over here. They are decent clean, law abiding people that seem to mind their own business…I wish every body was like that but unfortunately are not.<br />
“I find it strangely comforting to my point, that the only person to attack me so far in my taxi driving career, was a traveller” what, a little boy!!!!<br />
Well if you want justice then instead of taking a little boy for a drive then you should have called the garda to take him for a ride. If that had been me I would have been alarmed and suspicious and called the garda.<br />
Knackers is a derogatory term but as you call them that so be it…they know some hate them but after years of oppression they have developed a thick skin and don&#8217;t care what you think or me for that matter.<br />
They are just like us…they have good and bad but I don&#8217;t hate them…I just understand them.<br />
If they are having a family feud then the police should just let them kill each other and not get involved. That way everyone is happy.<br />
Well from this I get the impression that only the travelers are criminals, rapist, fraudsters, thieves, murderers, pedophiles, druggies act guess that makes all the rest of the Irish population angels. Well so be it</p>
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